Saturday, May 14, 2005

More on the job search front

There have been zero interesting offers sent my way from Footprints. I'm not very satisfied with their services at this point, actually. The guy who is finding me a job, Ben, has been sending me some generic email about once a week that does not reflect my job criteria at all. Most of them have June 1st start dates and are only offering one teaching spot. Did he not read that we cannot leave until the end of June and that there are TWO of us looking for a job? It's as if he just sends the same opportunities to everyone. Then, when there's one that seems interesting, I ask for information and he sends it a few days later. And the school is often blacklisted or paying too little or something else is not right. Man!

Here is a teacher's reference for an opportunity in Kangnam, Seoul. The school, part of the SLP chain, is posted on a blacklisted site. Here's the reference:

Dean Flemming
Dear Mr. Glickman,

1. Kangnam SLP is as good as any I have heard of and has some of the same problems as all Korean hagwons. Rating: 9

2. The work environment is stressful sometimes because the market is competitive for schools nowadays, so the school has to be the best to keep its students. However, the owner recognizes good teachers and supports them generally. A good teacher will have the freedom to teach as well as he sees fit.
Also there are some excellent teachers here out of the 20+ foreigners: they can help a new teacher a lot.

3. Housing: 6, not so hot

4. Kangnam always honors its contracts, I am pleased to say.

5. Teachers who fulfill their contract have always received their full bonus.

6. Hmmm ... I would only recommend this school to a friend who is willing to work hard in a strange new environment. It is quite stressful at times. It is VERY rewarding, financially and psychologically (because of the children and because of the value of the work). If you are hardworking, then by all means come here.

7. SLP is a chain with its own books and teacher's manuals and workbooks and stuff. It's not the greatest but it is pretty complete, and Kangnam has lots of other written material teachers have compiled over its eight years. But the school expects a teacher to use the material intelligently and creatively, not just photocopy and hand out or just read a page and move on.
Teachers are free to teach ANY WAY they see fit however, if it makes the children speak proper English.

8. There are three broad categories of schools: Grammar schools that focus on reading and multiple choice for exams (easy to teach at), Conversation schools that offer a white teacher at a cheap price and only want the teacher to entertain the students, and Conversation schools that strive for excellence... Kangnam SLP is the third type of school and expects its teachers to make their children excel in correct spoken English: this does not always work, but that is the expectation in the end. So expect hard work but good advice from good teachers and commendations if you learn to teach well.
And no Korean is permitted by the teachers or students. Discipline is generally up to the teacher.

9. Kangnam is right on the subway to all the downtowns of Seoul. Kangnam also has a bus straight to a huge mall. The neighborhood itself is middle class residential apartments and houses. Unexciting but convenient for shopping and travel.

It's really hard to say whether it's bad or not. It sounds like an honest operation, but it doesn't sound like the environement is particularly fun.

What do you experts out there think?

Oh, I also sent an email to Canadians with Seoul to see if they are any more efficient.

6 Comments:

At May 15, 2005 9:07 a.m. , Blogger Kiran said...

Gangnam-gu ıs a pretty decent area...it's where the main bus terminal for seoul is located and just across the river from itaewon...maybe about 30 mins to itaewon and about 50 mins to insa-dong or hongdae...it's on the outskirts of the city...it's also close to banpodong and seochogu which have a french district and is where most of the french expats live.

it wouldn't be my first place to live but not bad...
you'd be using the subway a lot in and out of the main center of town...but it's easy

there's also a lot of big shopping centers there...and it is fairly middle-high class

http://www.urbanrail.net/as/seou/seoul-map.htm

(looks wild and confusing but easy when you get the hang of it...)

look there in the bottom right hand corner on the orange line no. 3 for "express bus terminal" that's gangnam-gu

the best area i think would be near jongno, hongdae or insadong

make sure you ask if you have to do report cards and how often and if it's on your own time and about class sizes (12 is huge!) and don't even think about going until you talk to another foreign teacher at the school....ask how many other foreign teachers there are and how many students in the school and how long the school has been open...ask if you have to work on sats and or splıt shifts and if overtime is mandatory or optional...get a pay date in your contract and everything else...make sure it's in writing...

 
At May 15, 2005 10:54 a.m. , Blogger Jessica said...

Thanks a lot of the advice, Kiran. All the information on Dave's ESL cafe is from 2003...

How much do you think is a reasonable aalary?

 
At May 20, 2005 3:19 a.m. , Blogger Kiran said...

2 million for 120 hours a month
is a good starting salary...

 
At May 22, 2005 10:01 a.m. , Blogger Jessica said...

Great. Thanks a lot.

 
At March 27, 2009 6:56 a.m. , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you end up teaching here? I was just given the opportunity to apply there too. I wanna know the real scoop from the inside!

 
At December 24, 2010 8:39 p.m. , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Upon trying to find out if our school has a website, and this is the first page Google comes up with upon typing "Kangnam SLP", i can only assume that they do not have one...

I got here to Kangnam SLP recently, having got the job off of Footprints. So far everyone has been very welcoming, i think having 20 foreign teachers makes a big difference, especially right off the bat helping you settle in and everything. Some schools only have one or two, and if you don't really get along, i think it must be pretty lonely and horrible--not the case here.

The housing is not great, that's true, and you have roommates which is apparently strange for korean hagwons, but i came right out of college, so its nothing im not used to. That being said, i wasn't exactly expecting a large, luxurious apartment in the downtown of a large Asian city... so I don't know what other people are expecting.

I haven't actually started teaching yet, only doing training (They give you TWO WEEKS to get accustomed to your classes and the material, which is great for me, who has never taught before...) It seems like a lot of work is expected of the teachers--like a LOT-- report cards, marking, lesson prep, and everything else are expected to be completed during the work week without paid overtime, but you are teaching about 4 - 6 hours a day i think. But, although it IS a lot of work i think, the materials they give you are consistent, organized, and part of a larger arc of expected development for each child in the SLP program, which makes it a lot less stressful i think than someone who has no idea what is expected of them, or their children.

Hopefully that's useful to some people, I am more than happy here so far. I think there's a big facebook group of all the teachers called "Kangnam SLP Alumni", so im sure if you messaged someone from there with more specific questions they'd be happy to answer.

 

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